Remove the rule against splinter Discord servers

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  • Is it a canon spell ? -> Do not suggest.
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Suggestion
I’ll explain it in detail in the next section, but essentially to allow players to make their own discord servers for clubs, groups, whatever may need a collection of players, not just allow group chats.

Why it will be good:
You know me, creating suggestion posts after having a conversation at 3am. This is not my first post that came from this type of scenario and it won’t be the last. Likewise, since I did create that title at 3am I’ll explain what I mean. It is currently forbidden to make your own discord server for Knockturn related things, such as events or clubs. Group chats are allowed but they only allow 10 players at most, and having multiple group chats just splinters communication and community within clubs and other groups. Hypothetically, if I wanted to make a discord server for lets say a 18 player strong Quidditch team (like we had in the olden days - 3 strings), I would have to split it up into 3 separate group chats at least to have owners and players all together. This further increases if a club has different roles, like administrative roles or “important information” groups, etc etc. Important information is lost in messages and everyone forgets to check the pinned messages. Knockturn channels on the official discord will never satisfy the demands that other methods meet, unless dozens of tags and even more channels are created and constantly updated. Essentially my suggestion is to eliminate this hassle, and eliminate having to have people bridge communications between group 3 and group 1. It will just act as a larger group chat for clubs and groups, and be a removal of hassle.

How it will work in code/other functions
Nothing to code. However I do want to present some ideas;

  • This has already been done for events by at least 4 different owners (that I can quickly think of), some of which didn’t even know this was a rule. (See America vs Europe Quidditch hosted by Max and Liam [I think he helped? Idk but he was there])
  • If the concern is that there won’t be moderation, well there already isn’t official moderation in the existing club group chats. However if it is a concern, perhaps for organized clubs you could get a high ranking staff to be present to just make sure it follows basic decency rules (no harassment)? I don’t see this as necessary but if it’s a concern… I suppose it’s a possibility, but I really don’t think this should be necessary
  • Ban mass advertising of servers. I am not aiming to suggest that people can advertise their personal servers. This suggestion is specifically for organized clubs and the only members of these servers will be people who would have otherwise been in a group chat anyway. People can’t mass message people for “Knockturn trading discord” but they can add you specifically to “Knockturn Drama Club” because you auditioned and got a part. There has to be pre-set Knockturn approved gathering, distributed privately, else consider it advertising (though almost certainly if someone were to advertise something maliciously, it almost certainly would have happened regardless of this rule).

Who do you imagine has time to implement this feature
[Next available time for someone to code is most likely close to december 2018 due to current plans. So do not follow up this post a week later asking why its not implemented even if the entire community thinks its a fabulous idea.]
All of the above.

Which server?
Discord.

*This idea is made independently and is not asking for special privileges for a certain group. I just like to be loud with my own ideas sometimes and I was told that it might be interpreted as a specific club having personal issues. No, this is just something I’ve wanted for 3 years.

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Few things to point out-
Firstly, in a group chat, the information that could harm sb has a limited reach, since as you mentioned, only 10 users may be there. Considering that we’ve had not 1 or 2, but several attempts to advertise servers with a malicious intent (not towards KTN, but towards users) such as tracking links (with which they scared and threat users), malicious software, DDOS, etc I don’t think the idea of “unmoderated” discords is viable in any way, esp considering the amount of young users we’re receiving.

Secondly, less important than the first one imo, but still worth high lighting, just in 2020 we’ve had at least 3 people (minimum, as these are the ones I can recall from the top of my head) getting banned for advertising discord servers that were hiddenly linked with other minecraft servers, hence why we are so strict with any discord servers shared in KTN. Imagine it got to be “approved”, whats to stop someone giving a discord out and then just spamming their own mc server?

Thirdly, any discord server you own currently cannot be shared with anyone, unless you are VERY good friends. So it’s not like we’re allowing some servers but not others depending on the topic.

Fourthly, even if we had a high staff member in the server, they could easily be left out of every channel where they don’t want them to be.

Fifthly, I don’t believe we’ve ever made such exceptions (may be wrong), not even to owners for events, so not sure why it occurred. Nonetheless, again, if it did happen, KTN owners/Admins in control of the situation, not handled by any rando.

It is true that it’s not very organised as I’ve been part of quidd team and several other clubs, nevertheless to my mind (and hopefully everyones, else I’d be concerned) our users security > being organised.

Is this a hard rejection or may I raise some ideas to counter your points? I still personally believe in the idea but I understand that a rejection is a rejection

Hard rejection. We already have problems with group chats, we are not adding the ability for people to go to splinter discords and talk negatively about our users and/or advertise as they see fit in the other discords. The answer is no.

  • This has already been done for events by at least 4 different owners (that I can quickly think of), some of which didn’t even know this was a rule. (See America vs Europe Quidditch hosted by Max and Liam [I think he helped? Idk but he was there])

If the above happened, then they were in the wrong. We literally just had a conversation with staff about how group chats are not okay. Splinter discords are not okay. This is a rule with most discord communities, I don’t see why you think we should be the exception, when we have so many issues as is with people grouping up and bullying people as well as advertising in the ones we do find.

This is the final conversation on the topic with an additional alternative solution.

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